1 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:09,100 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:26,300 welcome skeptical zone listeners to a 3 00:00:30,740 --> 00:00:29,310 very very special episode you have not 4 00:00:32,750 --> 00:00:30,750 heard anything like what you're going to 5 00:00:34,490 --> 00:00:32,760 hear today because sure Richard and I 6 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:34,500 have taken some investigations to the 7 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:35,820 Maitland jail for the paranormal 8 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:38,730 festival but this one is it casula where 9 00:00:43,220 --> 00:00:40,620 there are real ghosts over to you 10 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:43,230 Richard Saunders I've heard they there 11 00:00:46,490 --> 00:00:45,180 are real ghosts here indeed main are the 12 00:00:48,350 --> 00:00:46,500 fact that there you are here and I'm 13 00:00:50,810 --> 00:00:48,360 here enjoy alabaster here proof positive 14 00:00:52,460 --> 00:00:50,820 that there are real ghosts T writing Joe 15 00:00:54,530 --> 00:00:52,470 you've done some early recognizing there 16 00:00:56,930 --> 00:00:54,540 what do you found what am I found I've 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:56,940 actually found some ghost hunters local 18 00:01:00,830 --> 00:00:58,530 to the Blue Mountains which is fantastic 19 00:01:02,569 --> 00:01:00,840 um they're actually my local pub they go 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:02,579 around having a look at what's going on 21 00:01:06,499 --> 00:01:04,650 there so I might arrange something with 22 00:01:08,570 --> 00:01:06,509 them in the future because as with most 23 00:01:10,460 --> 00:01:08,580 of these it's a bit of a melting pot for 24 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:10,470 people from the ghost hunting and the 25 00:01:13,790 --> 00:01:12,390 paranormal industry isn't it Richard it 26 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:13,800 is there are tables there from the 27 00:01:17,870 --> 00:01:16,080 Newcastle paranormal people and various 28 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:17,880 jails and pubs that is supposed to be 29 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:19,740 haunted there's a Ghostbuster down there 30 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:21,090 if we look down there's a guy dressed up 31 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:22,410 as the Ghostbusters then I'll be 32 00:01:26,830 --> 00:01:24,330 crossing my streams with him later we'll 33 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:26,840 hear I see there are tables with 34 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:30,690 psychics here by the way Maynard and Joe 35 00:01:36,590 --> 00:01:32,690 this is skeptics own episode number 311 36 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:36,600 for the fifth of October 2014 coming to 37 00:01:40,910 --> 00:01:39,210 you live from the casula powerhouse the 38 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:40,920 Australian paranormal and spiritual Expo 39 00:01:43,940 --> 00:01:42,150 where the Australian skeptics have a 40 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:43,950 table if we look down there and i'll be 41 00:01:49,490 --> 00:01:47,340 speaking later on now the interviews 42 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:49,500 from this adventure we're all having 43 00:01:53,270 --> 00:01:51,810 will be coming up next week in the week 44 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:53,280 after on the skeptics own because this 45 00:01:56,870 --> 00:01:55,650 episode is a bumper episode may not yeah 46 00:01:58,789 --> 00:01:56,880 we're going to kick off with an 47 00:02:01,100 --> 00:01:58,799 interview with pamela gay the astronomer 48 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:01,110 who is visiting sydney briefly just the 49 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:04,110 other day and we went to the observatory 50 00:02:08,810 --> 00:02:06,810 and in the gardens of the servatory I 51 00:02:10,340 --> 00:02:08,820 speak to Pamela gay following that it's 52 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:10,350 a week in science from Royal Institution 53 00:02:16,610 --> 00:02:14,370 of Australia of course www are I uswa 54 00:02:20,060 --> 00:02:16,620 you what is it Joe alabaster you're 55 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:20,070 laughing over there um you just say that 56 00:02:25,370 --> 00:02:21,810 very nicely Richard 57 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:25,380 I have a fan and following that it's a 58 00:02:28,670 --> 00:02:27,060 sort of part two of our extended 59 00:02:30,620 --> 00:02:28,680 interview with michael marshall from the 60 00:02:32,540 --> 00:02:30,630 Merseyside skeptics he's going to be 61 00:02:34,970 --> 00:02:32,550 talking about going along to see 62 00:02:36,830 --> 00:02:34,980 psychics so a big show coming up this 63 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:36,840 week I look we've got so much stuff 64 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:38,250 coming your way here and right now we've 65 00:02:40,910 --> 00:02:39,840 got to do some work for the future weeks 66 00:02:42,740 --> 00:02:40,920 now because we've got to get a bit in 67 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:42,750 the pot for Richard there he likes have 68 00:02:46,430 --> 00:02:44,130 a bit in the pot there so we can like 69 00:02:47,420 --> 00:02:46,440 put it out and get it going on the show 70 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:47,430 when there's other things that are not 71 00:02:50,540 --> 00:02:48,810 going on because I'm going to be pulled 72 00:02:52,009 --> 00:02:50,550 away by legal things for the next couple 73 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:52,019 of weeks and I won't be anywhere to be 74 00:02:55,610 --> 00:02:53,850 seen Oh in court again may now that's 75 00:02:57,050 --> 00:02:55,620 terrible but Joe alibi so it's so great 76 00:03:00,320 --> 00:02:57,060 to see you along and this is your first 77 00:03:02,870 --> 00:03:00,330 official assignment as a reporter indeed 78 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:02,880 this is my first media pass she's got a 79 00:03:07,100 --> 00:03:05,370 whoop hold that up to the microphone yes 80 00:03:09,380 --> 00:03:07,110 it's a media pass this isn't listen to 81 00:03:10,550 --> 00:03:09,390 my media pass and look as I just I was 82 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:10,560 just told that there's going to be a 83 00:03:14,180 --> 00:03:12,959 paranormal Expo up your way in Katoomba 84 00:03:16,850 --> 00:03:14,190 in May they're breaking out everywhere 85 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:16,860 oh yeah it's quite fantastic actually 86 00:03:21,949 --> 00:03:19,110 saw that mentioned on facebook a while 87 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:21,959 ago and I'm i might even angle for a 88 00:03:25,789 --> 00:03:23,730 media pass you know it's going to be at 89 00:03:27,410 --> 00:03:25,799 the carrington yeah but what's 90 00:03:28,460 --> 00:03:27,420 interesting this time is that right in 91 00:03:30,259 --> 00:03:28,470 the middle of this and particularly as 92 00:03:31,789 --> 00:03:30,269 we are at a raised level above everybody 93 00:03:34,310 --> 00:03:31,799 here we can look down and there's a 94 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:34,320 small island of skeptics down there now 95 00:03:37,699 --> 00:03:35,609 what do you think is going to happen 96 00:03:39,229 --> 00:03:37,709 Richard it's very interesting ago we're 97 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:39,239 looking down upon things are up on the 98 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:41,130 second level and they're oh I didn't 99 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:42,900 know 40 tables here and one of them is 100 00:03:45,979 --> 00:03:44,760 the Australian skeptics and at the 101 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:45,989 moment they're chatting to each other 102 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:48,840 the doors have just opened and I'm 103 00:03:52,849 --> 00:03:50,910 expecting there to be some shall we say 104 00:03:55,370 --> 00:03:52,859 heated conversation at that table during 105 00:03:57,170 --> 00:03:55,380 the course of the day and say what you 106 00:03:59,660 --> 00:03:57,180 will about the paranormal people and the 107 00:04:02,270 --> 00:03:59,670 people who believe in a bit of woo this 108 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:02,280 room smells really nice Richard ah you 109 00:04:08,210 --> 00:04:05,670 know why oh it's it's me I actually had 110 00:04:09,890 --> 00:04:08,220 my aura cleanse shortly after I walked 111 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:09,900 in one of the first tables I went to her 112 00:04:15,949 --> 00:04:11,730 or was a bit stinky what's the issue 113 00:04:17,539 --> 00:04:15,959 here apparently no I'm I'm not sure but 114 00:04:20,449 --> 00:04:17,549 it got sprayed it got sprayed with some 115 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:20,459 oils and some crystals um I think that 116 00:04:24,790 --> 00:04:22,410 they've opened up my intuition my 117 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:24,800 feminine intuition 118 00:04:30,110 --> 00:04:27,930 okay well well okay normally I would I 119 00:04:31,490 --> 00:04:30,120 thought to cleanse your aura and I 120 00:04:32,570 --> 00:04:31,500 probably got the wrong information here 121 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:32,580 that you should have had to have a bit 122 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:35,130 of a awash in salt water like the sea or 123 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:36,450 some salt water or something that's how 124 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:38,490 I thought you cleanse Donora it's quite 125 00:04:43,310 --> 00:04:40,890 possible that the crystals within the 126 00:04:44,510 --> 00:04:43,320 oral spray were salt-based she couldn't 127 00:04:47,930 --> 00:04:44,520 actually tell me what the crystals were 128 00:04:49,490 --> 00:04:47,940 made of um lavender in there so she 129 00:04:52,190 --> 00:04:49,500 couldn't describe the mechanism by which 130 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:52,200 it worked she couldn't just grab the 131 00:04:58,130 --> 00:04:55,050 components no but she did she did 132 00:04:59,890 --> 00:04:58,140 describe the evident effect being that 133 00:05:02,120 --> 00:04:59,900 it opened up particular chakras 134 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:02,130 depending on where i was out on my 135 00:05:05,750 --> 00:05:04,080 journey well they are which we were you 136 00:05:07,340 --> 00:05:05,760 on your journey today getting booed a 137 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:07,350 lot i reckon i think i will get bootle 138 00:05:11,930 --> 00:05:09,750 up now here's the the assignment you too 139 00:05:13,460 --> 00:05:11,940 we're going to be here all day get out 140 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:13,470 there talk to the people coming along 141 00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:15,090 talk to some of the exhibitors I will 142 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:16,800 catch up halfway through the show to see 143 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:18,930 how you're going and we'll come back 144 00:05:22,220 --> 00:05:20,730 later to round off this episode and all 145 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:22,230 those reports will be coming up in 146 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:24,810 future weeks but for now may not for now 147 00:05:27,980 --> 00:05:26,400 while listeners listen to the skeptics 148 00:05:31,580 --> 00:05:27,990 on the three of us should run downstairs 149 00:05:34,580 --> 00:05:31,590 and grab some what's on offer here some 150 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:34,590 toast or something now I've got some 151 00:05:38,420 --> 00:05:36,450 mints in a little coffin shaped box 152 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:38,430 already and they've got olimpo action 153 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:40,320 figures here too oh dear I gonna do it 154 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:41,610 for you well I'm going to run downstairs 155 00:05:45,020 --> 00:05:43,290 go straight over to the first-aid 156 00:05:47,090 --> 00:05:45,030 station over there see what's unlocked 157 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:47,100 off as much snick as much as I can have 158 00:05:51,950 --> 00:05:49,860 a great day off mubeen while he's doing 159 00:05:57,239 --> 00:05:51,960 that I hope you enjoy the skeptic zone I 160 00:05:57,249 --> 00:06:12,500 by travelpod member 161 00:06:16,830 --> 00:06:15,030 what a delightful day it is to be in 162 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:16,840 Sydney the birds are singing in the tree 163 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:18,310 the wind is blowing a little bit because 164 00:06:24,030 --> 00:06:21,970 I am up on gallows Hill gallows Hill I 165 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:24,040 hear you ask Sydneysiders you've never 166 00:06:28,020 --> 00:06:25,570 heard of gallows Hill well it's where 167 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:28,030 the observatory is it used to be many 168 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:30,310 many years ago known as gallows Hill I 169 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:32,710 think you can understand why a grim 170 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:34,420 place then but a beautiful place now 171 00:06:41,370 --> 00:06:38,160 especially if you're an astronomer and 172 00:06:43,290 --> 00:06:41,380 stagger me who should I bump into at the 173 00:06:46,530 --> 00:06:43,300 Sydney Observatory none other than dr. 174 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:46,540 Pamela gay hello Pamela hi Richard how 175 00:06:50,130 --> 00:06:48,370 are you doing today I'm not doing too 176 00:06:52,140 --> 00:06:50,140 badly it is a wonderful day isn't it 177 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:52,150 it's a beautiful day here in Sydney it's 178 00:06:56,430 --> 00:06:54,490 really amazing and there's a very loud 179 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:56,440 bird that I'm hoping is like a cockatoo 180 00:07:00,690 --> 00:06:58,210 or something because the city is 181 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:00,700 infested with amazing creatures it is 182 00:07:03,780 --> 00:07:02,530 those strange creatures folks the last 183 00:07:06,630 --> 00:07:03,790 time you were here we had a wonderful 184 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:06,640 stroll through the Botanic Gardens we 185 00:07:12,180 --> 00:07:08,830 saw all sorts of weird birds and um eels 186 00:07:13,710 --> 00:07:12,190 yes eels that were very determined to 187 00:07:16,350 --> 00:07:13,720 come up and say hello in the middle of 188 00:07:18,750 --> 00:07:16,360 the interview that was great fun there 189 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:18,760 now why are you in Sydney this time 190 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:21,250 because you you only just flew in our 191 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:24,370 league ODI literally landed about eight 192 00:07:31,590 --> 00:07:27,970 hours ago flew out st. Louis to LAX to 193 00:07:34,110 --> 00:07:31,600 Sydney and I'm here trying to figure out 194 00:07:36,510 --> 00:07:34,120 what time zone i'm in before i head out 195 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:36,520 to siding Springs observatory for the 196 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:39,700 dedication of the brand new I telescope 197 00:07:45,570 --> 00:07:43,510 scope odd that that is going to be out 198 00:07:48,060 --> 00:07:45,580 there to allow amateur astronomers to do 199 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:48,070 more research and to allow educators to 200 00:07:53,610 --> 00:07:50,080 get their kids better access to the sky 201 00:07:56,790 --> 00:07:53,620 now I am i right and saying you haven't 202 00:07:59,400 --> 00:07:56,800 been deciding Springs I haven't and it's 203 00:08:01,350 --> 00:07:59,410 actually really exciting because it's an 204 00:08:03,190 --> 00:08:01,360 observatory that I've read about it's an 205 00:08:05,850 --> 00:08:03,200 observatory that 206 00:08:08,470 --> 00:08:05,860 i I've heard all sorts of stories from 207 00:08:10,090 --> 00:08:08,480 astronomers who've done things like step 208 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:10,100 on kangaroos in the middle over the 209 00:08:15,970 --> 00:08:13,520 night and this is my first time not 210 00:08:17,890 --> 00:08:15,980 being inside of a city in Australia so I 211 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:17,900 also have this secret desire to 212 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:19,910 hopefully see like a kangaroo or a 213 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:21,890 wombat now I think you weren't gonna be 214 00:08:25,150 --> 00:08:23,840 in for a wonderful time just getting 215 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:25,160 there just getting there I understand 216 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:27,710 you're driving there i am i'm taking off 217 00:08:33,130 --> 00:08:31,490 with astro pixie Amanda Bauer and we're 218 00:08:35,230 --> 00:08:33,140 going to road trip from Sydney out 219 00:08:37,630 --> 00:08:35,240 deciding springs and then I'll be 220 00:08:39,790 --> 00:08:37,640 driving afterwards to melbourne with 221 00:08:41,890 --> 00:08:39,800 Peter lake and i'll be doing a number of 222 00:08:44,410 --> 00:08:41,900 events in melbourne as well i think i 223 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:44,420 mean as much as i know you'll love doing 224 00:08:48,430 --> 00:08:46,010 your events and getting to your 225 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:48,440 destination the trip you're going to be 226 00:08:53,350 --> 00:08:50,540 on the country side you'll see the 227 00:08:55,540 --> 00:08:53,360 experience i think will be memorable it 228 00:08:59,170 --> 00:08:55,550 once you get out of the the cities in 229 00:09:00,910 --> 00:08:59,180 australia and see the other half so to 230 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:00,920 speak the other part of Australia not 231 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:03,290 just the big cities you're in for a 232 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:04,880 treat and of course the stars my 233 00:09:09,490 --> 00:09:06,890 goodness me the stars out there away 234 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:09,500 from the city lights now you I know 235 00:09:13,810 --> 00:09:10,610 you've been at the southern hemisphere 236 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:13,820 many times but it is breathtaking out 237 00:09:17,950 --> 00:09:15,650 there it's something I'm really looking 238 00:09:20,740 --> 00:09:17,960 forward to the last time i got to see 239 00:09:23,380 --> 00:09:20,750 good southern hemisphere skies it was 240 00:09:25,770 --> 00:09:23,390 march i was outside a cape town at 241 00:09:28,030 --> 00:09:25,780 sutherland observatory in south africa 242 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:28,040 this time it's a completely different 243 00:09:33,250 --> 00:09:30,200 season a completely different continent 244 00:09:34,810 --> 00:09:33,260 and a new opportunity to see all the 245 00:09:37,510 --> 00:09:34,820 things the southern hemisphere has to 246 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:37,520 offer and and what a lot it has to offer 247 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:40,550 I mean I've stepped outside when I'm in 248 00:09:44,980 --> 00:09:42,350 North America periodically engaged up 249 00:09:46,390 --> 00:09:44,990 and saw the the Stars there and notice 250 00:09:48,420 --> 00:09:46,400 the moon was always upside down for some 251 00:09:51,430 --> 00:09:48,430 days I can't get my head around there 252 00:09:52,690 --> 00:09:51,440 and as nice and interesting as the stars 253 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:52,700 are there when I come back to the 254 00:09:57,409 --> 00:09:54,050 southern hemisphere especially when I'm 255 00:10:00,989 --> 00:09:57,419 away from the city the 256 00:10:02,819 --> 00:10:00,999 the Milky Way and the Southern Cross and 257 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:02,829 the constellations you don't normally 258 00:10:06,869 --> 00:10:05,169 see it weighs only and the Magellanic 259 00:10:09,209 --> 00:10:06,879 Clouds of course it's not the ideal 260 00:10:11,929 --> 00:10:09,219 season but they're still up there if you 261 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:11,939 just wait for the right hour and it 262 00:10:16,259 --> 00:10:14,529 really does look like someone took and 263 00:10:19,079 --> 00:10:16,269 grabbed fistfuls of the Milky Way and 264 00:10:23,129 --> 00:10:19,089 threw them off to the side it's it's 265 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:23,139 truly an amazing sky and the Carina 266 00:10:28,709 --> 00:10:25,809 star-forming region there's so much 267 00:10:31,499 --> 00:10:28,719 amazing science that happens to also 268 00:10:34,829 --> 00:10:31,509 just be beautiful to the human eye it 269 00:10:36,599 --> 00:10:34,839 really is it absolutely is now how are 270 00:10:39,809 --> 00:10:36,609 your other projects going at my house 271 00:10:43,379 --> 00:10:39,819 astronomy cast o s tronic castes is 272 00:10:46,109 --> 00:10:43,389 going great i have to admit due to poor 273 00:10:48,149 --> 00:10:46,119 planning namely being on an airplane we 274 00:10:50,789 --> 00:10:48,159 didn't get a new show out this week but 275 00:10:52,829 --> 00:10:50,799 we're running our dragoncon episode and 276 00:10:54,929 --> 00:10:52,839 i'll be recording our next episode from 277 00:10:57,599 --> 00:10:54,939 down here in australia that's exciting 278 00:11:00,179 --> 00:10:57,609 it is it's gonna require a lot of oh 279 00:11:02,579 --> 00:11:00,189 shoot timezones drink doing all of that 280 00:11:04,949 --> 00:11:02,589 i'll have people of people understand 281 00:11:07,229 --> 00:11:04,959 he'll understand we're now in our eighth 282 00:11:09,449 --> 00:11:07,239 year which is really kind of amazing to 283 00:11:11,489 --> 00:11:09,459 think about it this means it's been 284 00:11:12,779 --> 00:11:11,499 eight years since Pluto lost its planet 285 00:11:18,329 --> 00:11:12,789 hood because that was our very first 286 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:18,339 episode and I it's it's still going 287 00:11:23,549 --> 00:11:20,409 strong because we keep learning new 288 00:11:25,289 --> 00:11:23,559 things about our universe it's it's been 289 00:11:27,389 --> 00:11:25,299 great this year to be able to focus in 290 00:11:29,819 --> 00:11:27,399 on well the Rosetta mission is getting 291 00:11:32,099 --> 00:11:29,829 ready to land on a squeaky duck shaped 292 00:11:34,409 --> 00:11:32,109 comment isn't that exciting it's them 293 00:11:37,169 --> 00:11:34,419 that it's amazing and then you have just 294 00:11:38,939 --> 00:11:37,179 successfully got a probe into Martian 295 00:11:41,309 --> 00:11:38,949 orbit that's it that's impressive so 296 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:41,319 India's at Mars we now maven at Mars 297 00:11:44,609 --> 00:11:42,970 there's about to be accommodate Mars 298 00:11:47,249 --> 00:11:44,619 which is going to make all of that far 299 00:11:48,929 --> 00:11:47,259 more interesting and it's it's just 300 00:11:51,029 --> 00:11:48,939 really a great time to be an astronomer 301 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:51,039 except for the whole funding situation 302 00:11:54,550 --> 00:11:52,610 but if 303 00:11:56,170 --> 00:11:54,560 can ignore the problem of getting paid 304 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:56,180 it's a great time to be learning 305 00:12:00,250 --> 00:11:58,370 astronomy all the winds picking up here 306 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:00,260 in Sydney Australia folks it really is 307 00:12:07,090 --> 00:12:03,950 it is a gorgeous day but oh hello and 308 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:07,100 here come the police it's all over tomas 309 00:12:11,319 --> 00:12:08,630 maier sounds like it's getting rather 310 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:11,329 crowded now it is this is the object 311 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:14,660 that we send robots to die at but they 312 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:16,790 have a great life in the process we we 313 00:12:22,060 --> 00:12:19,370 have spirit and opportunity opportunity 314 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:22,070 is still going along doing its 315 00:12:28,650 --> 00:12:24,769 exploration we have curiosity we have an 316 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:28,660 entire fleet of orbiting spacecraft yeah 317 00:12:33,940 --> 00:12:31,760 pathfinder the earlier Voyager missions 318 00:12:37,870 --> 00:12:33,950 have all retired they are not boy to the 319 00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:37,880 earlier Mariner missionaries and Viking 320 00:12:43,870 --> 00:12:40,880 Viking so many different missions have 321 00:12:46,810 --> 00:12:43,880 gone there to explore and it's almost 322 00:12:49,420 --> 00:12:46,820 getting routine it it's not quite 323 00:12:52,420 --> 00:12:49,430 routine but we're now at the point where 324 00:12:55,150 --> 00:12:52,430 we can start imagining human beings 325 00:12:56,889 --> 00:12:55,160 traveling there and setting up on on one 326 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:56,899 of the moons before going down the 327 00:13:02,319 --> 00:12:58,850 gravitational well to the surface of the 328 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:02,329 planet it's going to be an amazing next 329 00:13:06,189 --> 00:13:04,250 two decades I wonder if it's that windy 330 00:13:08,650 --> 00:13:06,199 on ma used to this Connie it is quite a 331 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:08,660 long run guys this is we're simulating 332 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:13,430 Martian wind last of us does it there 333 00:13:17,829 --> 00:13:15,890 was mentioned this to a good of a very 334 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:17,839 good friend of mine who is part of the 335 00:13:23,199 --> 00:13:21,110 hopeful Marsh Martian mission the Mars 336 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:23,209 one the one-way mission of science and 337 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:26,690 death that's it now he i met him in all 338 00:13:31,970 --> 00:13:28,610 emotes actually a couple years ago dr. 339 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:31,980 best shot saab and 340 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:35,760 he was hopeful to go to Mars and I many 341 00:13:40,670 --> 00:13:37,320 years ago here in Sydney Australia one 342 00:13:42,590 --> 00:13:40,680 day there was a huge dust storm probably 343 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:42,600 gonna be one now there was a huge dust 344 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:44,630 storm with a lot of red dust from the 345 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:47,370 desert regions of Australia blue and 346 00:13:53,570 --> 00:13:50,640 over Sydney and we woke up to a red sky 347 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:53,580 in a real Wow atmosphere and I and I 348 00:13:58,820 --> 00:13:55,650 remember looking around thinking this is 349 00:14:00,410 --> 00:13:58,830 so unsettling if people end up on Mars 350 00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:00,420 they're gonna have to get used to not a 351 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:02,910 blue sky and just seeing red red red and 352 00:14:06,770 --> 00:14:04,650 it really makes you start to think about 353 00:14:08,450 --> 00:14:06,780 well why is the sky blue well it has a 354 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:08,460 lot to do with the composition of our 355 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:09,930 atmosphere the thickness of our 356 00:14:16,330 --> 00:14:13,110 atmosphere and Mars is just a different 357 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:16,340 world so the color of the sunlight is 358 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:18,630 different even though it's the same star 359 00:14:22,910 --> 00:14:21,600 news guy hmm I love those pictures from 360 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:22,920 the surface of Mars where they point the 361 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:25,230 camera back to earth what happens to be 362 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:27,570 in the shot exactly that's exciting 363 00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:29,760 stuff now what else uh what are your 364 00:14:35,170 --> 00:14:32,880 other projects apart from the abuse so 365 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:35,180 so we're still 366 00:14:42,490 --> 00:14:37,370 we're gonna have to move down here comes 367 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:42,500 the dust let's go around this we're 368 00:14:49,270 --> 00:14:47,090 getting chased by the dust okay folks 369 00:14:51,220 --> 00:14:49,280 we're on the move now because I am not 370 00:14:54,130 --> 00:14:51,230 kidding all this red dust just came up 371 00:14:56,290 --> 00:14:54,140 and got us right in the eye we are 372 00:14:57,700 --> 00:14:56,300 tempting fate so we'll just sit here we 373 00:15:00,630 --> 00:14:57,710 are on the other side of the of the 374 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:00,640 observatory this looks more congenial 375 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:02,930 why didn't we come round here before I 376 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:05,270 don't know cuz now now we're sitting 377 00:15:08,590 --> 00:15:06,710 where someone's going to expect that 378 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:08,600 we're waiting for a tour group but 379 00:15:13,090 --> 00:15:10,850 that's okay we can confuse them we can 380 00:15:16,060 --> 00:15:13,100 confuse them just just show them your 381 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:16,070 credentials and me okay so we're just 382 00:15:19,930 --> 00:15:18,110 about to discuss your other projects 383 00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:19,940 right so so the other thing that I'm 384 00:15:26,020 --> 00:15:23,120 working on is cosmic west where we're 385 00:15:29,620 --> 00:15:26,030 inviting you to will help us explore 386 00:15:31,540 --> 00:15:29,630 mercury the moon Vesta and we're 387 00:15:32,980 --> 00:15:31,550 actually putting software together to 388 00:15:35,050 --> 00:15:32,990 hopefully launch Mars in the 389 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:35,060 not-too-distant future no mercury is an 390 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:36,230 interesting planet but i think it's 391 00:15:40,030 --> 00:15:38,450 overlooked quite a bit it is and part of 392 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:40,040 the reason it's overlooked is we just 393 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:42,560 haven't had good data until very 394 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:45,050 recently it wasn't until the messenger 395 00:15:50,110 --> 00:15:47,690 mission finally started orbiting mars 396 00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:50,120 not Mars fun we started orbiting mercury 397 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:53,360 that we were able to see just what this 398 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:55,370 world looks like before that we didn't 399 00:15:59,950 --> 00:15:58,250 even have full maps of the world and ice 400 00:16:01,750 --> 00:15:59,960 tonight you know when I think about it 401 00:16:03,370 --> 00:16:01,760 myself I'd scarcely know anything about 402 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:03,380 mercury right I really don't know what 403 00:16:06,430 --> 00:16:05,090 the terrain is like whether it's dusty 404 00:16:08,590 --> 00:16:06,440 or it doesn't have an atmosphere 405 00:16:13,510 --> 00:16:08,600 association it doesn't so much have an 406 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:13,520 atmosphere as it's getting so baked by 407 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:16,010 the Sun and hit so much by solar 408 00:16:21,460 --> 00:16:18,290 radiation that it actually has ions 409 00:16:23,530 --> 00:16:21,470 popping off of its surface so it does 410 00:16:27,330 --> 00:16:23,540 have a little bit of an atmosphere but 411 00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:27,340 that's in part caused by well ions 412 00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:30,560 having to escape the Sun's blast and if 413 00:16:36,010 --> 00:16:33,680 you look at it in some of the orbiting 414 00:16:37,950 --> 00:16:36,020 spacecraft like Soho it actually has an 415 00:16:40,170 --> 00:16:37,960 ion trail behind it 416 00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:40,180 really yeah we don't think of planets is 417 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:42,220 leaving tails that's a thing comments do 418 00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:45,670 but no we we see a ion trail out behind 419 00:16:50,190 --> 00:16:47,590 mercury we have taught me something I 420 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:50,200 think you've told a lot of food wow 421 00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:51,490 that's interesting but but it's 422 00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:54,310 strangely enough and you may correct me 423 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:56,320 here of course if i'm wrong i understand 424 00:17:02,970 --> 00:16:57,970 that mercury is more hospitable than 425 00:17:06,030 --> 00:17:02,980 venus it is venus is a high acid world 426 00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:06,040 as well as being hot and it also has 427 00:17:09,930 --> 00:17:08,440 high pressure you go to mercury you have 428 00:17:12,810 --> 00:17:09,940 to worry about solar radiation you have 429 00:17:17,660 --> 00:17:12,820 to worry about heat but you don't have 430 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:17,670 to worry about being dissolved by acid 431 00:17:23,370 --> 00:17:20,890 mercury just it's a little friendlier in 432 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:23,380 that respect and Venus as well as trying 433 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:26,350 to dissolve you is trying to squish you 434 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:31,090 with huge atmospheric pressure you could 435 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:33,850 essentially fly you didn't mind the 436 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:36,810 whole being dissolved part by spreading 437 00:17:41,730 --> 00:17:40,270 basically large not paper because that 438 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:41,740 would dissolve but essentially large 439 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:43,570 something that wouldn't be dissolved 440 00:17:48,210 --> 00:17:46,870 like paper wings it's kind of scary to 441 00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:48,220 think about Mars is looking more 442 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:50,830 inviting but yes yes it really truly is 443 00:17:57,420 --> 00:17:54,850 and it really is the only option for the 444 00:17:59,970 --> 00:17:57,430 next open item the moon surely would be 445 00:18:02,640 --> 00:17:59,980 the next logical the moon is a good goal 446 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:02,650 and some of the asteroids don't look too 447 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:05,170 bad in the grand scheme of gravity the 448 00:18:10,890 --> 00:18:07,930 the issue with Mars is once you get 449 00:18:12,420 --> 00:18:10,900 there you have to get back off if you 450 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,430 want to come home and some people some 451 00:18:16,650 --> 00:18:14,320 people don't worry about that your 452 00:18:18,570 --> 00:18:16,660 ancestors came to Australia and had no 453 00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:18,580 concern about going home my ancestors 454 00:18:21,930 --> 00:18:20,500 came to North America and had no concern 455 00:18:25,380 --> 00:18:21,940 about your home I really didn't think of 456 00:18:27,650 --> 00:18:25,390 it that way and where we are here at the 457 00:18:29,790 --> 00:18:27,660 observatory which is just up the road 458 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:29,800 minutes away from the rocks which was 459 00:18:33,330 --> 00:18:31,450 one of the very early parts of the 460 00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:33,340 settlement is yes is where many of my 461 00:18:39,450 --> 00:18:36,640 ancestors are arrived they didn't have a 462 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:39,460 choice by the way they were they were 463 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:41,260 sort of told they had to come to 464 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:43,110 Australia my 465 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:44,760 my ancestors had a little bit more of a 466 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:47,130 choice in going to North America but 467 00:18:52,370 --> 00:18:49,890 there there was still the the issue of 468 00:18:55,310 --> 00:18:52,380 there just weren't necessarily the 469 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:55,320 resources to go home but the thing was 470 00:19:00,320 --> 00:18:57,090 once you made it to australia in North 471 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:00,330 America a lot of people suffered from 472 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:03,330 hard living conditions but if you tried 473 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:07,140 hard the ground could grow things are 474 00:19:13,340 --> 00:19:10,650 there were native plants and animals 475 00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:13,350 that you could eat there's not going to 476 00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:15,929 be a kangaroo hopping past or a rabbit 477 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:19,350 hopping cast when you get to Mars know 478 00:19:23,690 --> 00:19:21,049 that what is the difference I think I 479 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:23,700 think you put you found it you put your 480 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:25,290 finger on the big the big problem there 481 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:28,290 well I mean that all the technical 482 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:29,730 problems they haven't overcome just 483 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:31,980 getting there and and not as much 484 00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:33,630 getting there but protecting yourself 485 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:36,320 from the radiation so that you don't 486 00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:38,790 essentially kill yourself with the 487 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:40,740 radiation dose before you even get to 488 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:44,610 Mars yeah it's not just like the movies 489 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:46,650 is it yeah get in a spaceship and fly 490 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:47,970 there and just spend the time and get 491 00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:49,110 there there's all these other things to 492 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:53,940 our it radiation starvation water water 493 00:19:58,909 --> 00:19:56,010 is probably the least of the concerns 494 00:20:00,980 --> 00:19:58,919 but starvation is a pretty bad one well 495 00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:00,990 here's his something's just occurred to 496 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:03,179 me while I'm chatting to you okay if we 497 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:04,770 could construct a spacecraft which would 498 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:06,510 protect us from the solar winds and we'd 499 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:08,970 get to Mars right okay time to get back 500 00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:12,210 down to it get down we'll get back to 501 00:20:17,539 --> 00:20:15,720 earth would we be battling headwind if 502 00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:17,549 you know what I mean who solar wind that 503 00:20:23,630 --> 00:20:20,880 that's actually not a concern I while 504 00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:23,640 well solar wind is something that we 505 00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:26,220 talked about in terms of solar sails the 506 00:20:31,610 --> 00:20:28,830 amount of solar radiation that your 507 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:31,620 normal full mass spacecraft is dealing 508 00:20:36,110 --> 00:20:34,290 with it's it's just not that much when 509 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:36,120 we start talking about using solar sails 510 00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:39,770 we're looking at small weight small mass 511 00:20:48,140 --> 00:20:44,760 vehicles with giant solar sails I you 512 00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:48,150 and I weigh enough that the size of the 513 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:50,150 solar sail weed requires a bit daunting 514 00:20:55,220 --> 00:20:53,220 and the cross-section of the spacecraft 515 00:20:57,980 --> 00:20:55,230 we'd probably be flying on 516 00:21:00,350 --> 00:20:57,990 I it's not that big a concern plus the 517 00:21:03,049 --> 00:21:00,360 Sun does most of the work for you you 518 00:21:06,260 --> 00:21:03,059 insert yourself into the right orbit you 519 00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:06,270 hang out for half a year and you arrive 520 00:21:12,530 --> 00:21:08,280 at your destination thanks to gravity 521 00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:12,540 Wow there are always there are ways once 522 00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,600 you overcome the radiation Pamela how 523 00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:17,280 can people find out more and how can 524 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:20,700 they help if you want to help us explore 525 00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:24,410 the universe go to cosmic quest dot o RG 526 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:27,870 yeah and we have all sorts of ways that 527 00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:30,390 you can help us explore the rocky worlds 528 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:32,340 that make up our solar system and if you 529 00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:34,770 want to learn well we have lots of 530 00:21:38,539 --> 00:21:36,600 different programs at cosmic quest and 531 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:38,549 you can also tune in to astronomy cast 532 00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:41,970 com org both of them work we're in 533 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:46,200 itunes and we record on google+ live so 534 00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:47,850 that you can see all of the things that 535 00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,980 don't make it into the audio show well 536 00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:51,360 that's that's that's an interesting 537 00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:53,070 thing that's interesting now and I am 538 00:21:57,980 --> 00:21:55,500 very proud to say Pamela that since the 539 00:21:59,900 --> 00:21:57,990 beginning of the skeptic zone the one ad 540 00:22:02,060 --> 00:21:59,910 and my listeners know that you know 541 00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:02,070 between interviews and segments there 542 00:22:05,659 --> 00:22:03,720 are ads for other people and other 543 00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,669 podcasts and skeptical groups and this 544 00:22:09,530 --> 00:22:07,919 but the one that's been consistent from 545 00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:09,540 the beginning of the skeptic zone has 546 00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:11,549 been astronomy cast and and it's been 547 00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:13,980 fabulous getting to work with you is 548 00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:16,260 this whole field of podcasting has grown 549 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:18,840 up across all of these years we're we're 550 00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:23,610 some of the old fogies of new media is 551 00:22:28,460 --> 00:22:25,980 right here and six years for the 552 00:22:30,980 --> 00:22:28,470 skeptics and goodness me and and I did 553 00:22:33,140 --> 00:22:30,990 slacker astronomy before that I've been 554 00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,150 podcasting for it'll be ten years 555 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:34,799 valentines day do you think there's a 556 00:22:38,810 --> 00:22:36,780 retirement home for all podcaster summer 557 00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:38,820 there must be we need to talk to david / 558 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:41,400 sure about that like a fun set up 559 00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,710 everywhere exactly pamela gay and it 560 00:22:49,940 --> 00:22:48,000 strikes me every time I see you it's 561 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:49,950 just it's such a joy to chat with you 562 00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:52,650 and to know you and to regard you as a 563 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:55,140 friend and thanks for spending some time 564 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:57,210 out of your schedule i know you've just 565 00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:58,650 arrived your jet lagged out of your 566 00:23:01,940 --> 00:23:00,299 skull but you've come out here we've 567 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:01,950 walked up to the observatory and 568 00:23:05,659 --> 00:23:03,809 I couldn't be more happy it's a 569 00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:05,669 beautiful day and you lured me with 570 00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:08,039 coffee and the possibility of cockatoos 571 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:10,289 so let's go and see if we can find 572 00:23:13,580 --> 00:23:12,210 something that sounds great thank you so 573 00:23:27,139 --> 00:23:13,590 much for having me on Richard are you 574 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:27,149 with virtual skeptics is a weekly web 575 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:29,130 show in which we discuss the latest news 576 00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:31,769 in skepticism whether it's a new case of 577 00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:33,240 spontaneous human combustion a 578 00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,460 conspiracy theory the latest update on 579 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:37,679 the upcoming robot apocalypse tech news 580 00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:39,330 for skeptics are the 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to the 595 00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:21,630 guillotine so why do we turn gray and is 596 00:24:36,210 --> 00:24:33,360 hey gets its color from a pigment called 597 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:36,220 melanin there are two types one is black 598 00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:38,200 or dark brown and the other is British 599 00:24:43,019 --> 00:24:40,600 yellow combining to give us a huge range 600 00:24:45,149 --> 00:24:43,029 of hair colors sells at the base of the 601 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:45,159 hair follicle called the Bulge produce 602 00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,049 these pigments which are then passed to 603 00:24:51,749 --> 00:24:49,120 other cells that produce keratin the 604 00:24:53,730 --> 00:24:51,759 main protein that makes up here keratin 605 00:24:56,249 --> 00:24:53,740 is naturally colorless it's the same 606 00:24:58,739 --> 00:24:56,259 protein that's in your nails as you age 607 00:25:00,600 --> 00:24:58,749 pigment cells become less active meaning 608 00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:00,610 that les couleurs deposited into the 609 00:25:05,489 --> 00:25:02,860 hair protein making it look lighter as 610 00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,499 grain progresses the pigment cells start 611 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:08,080 to die off completely and eventually no 612 00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:09,970 color reaches the keratin making your 613 00:25:16,529 --> 00:25:13,929 hair white some environmental factors 614 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:16,539 like smoking poor nutrition low iron or 615 00:25:20,489 --> 00:25:18,460 thyroid problems can increase how 616 00:25:23,310 --> 00:25:20,499 quickly you go gray but what about 617 00:25:25,529 --> 00:25:23,320 stress lots of people report going gray 618 00:25:27,810 --> 00:25:25,539 following stressful periods but there's 619 00:25:29,609 --> 00:25:27,820 not much scientific evidence for it that 620 00:25:31,769 --> 00:25:29,619 said it would be pretty hard to get 621 00:25:34,109 --> 00:25:31,779 ethics approval to induce high levels of 622 00:25:36,629 --> 00:25:34,119 stress in human test subjects so it 623 00:25:39,419 --> 00:25:36,639 hasn't been thoroughly investigated some 624 00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:39,429 research in 2013 using mice suggested 625 00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:41,830 that high levels of stress hormones can 626 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:43,809 cause the color pigment cells to migrate 627 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:45,850 away from the hair follicle there's also 628 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:47,769 some evidence that these hormones can 629 00:25:51,389 --> 00:25:49,330 disrupt the signal that tells the 630 00:25:54,269 --> 00:25:51,399 pigment cells to deposit color into the 631 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:54,279 keratin cells and now for fast facts 632 00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:56,850 about going gray 633 00:26:01,160 --> 00:25:59,250 genetics plays a big role in graying 634 00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:01,170 you'll probably get your first gray 635 00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,240 hairs at the same age your parents or 636 00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:05,520 grandparents did a recent study found 637 00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,500 that when your skin is damaged such as a 638 00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,840 burn pigment cells migrate away from the 639 00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:11,760 hair follicle to replenish the pigment 640 00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,860 in the skin this means that you can get 641 00:26:18,140 --> 00:26:15,840 a patch of white hair around your injury 642 00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:18,150 throughout history gray hair has been a 643 00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,100 fashion statement from oiling and 644 00:26:24,260 --> 00:26:21,600 powdering your hair in the 18th century 645 00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,270 to the recent return of silver blonde to 646 00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:26,880 the runway and a rare form of autoimmune 647 00:26:31,580 --> 00:26:29,160 disease can cause all pigmented hairs to 648 00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,590 fall out leaving behind only unpigmented 649 00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:33,840 hair this could look a bit like the 650 00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:35,880 overnight green that allegedly struck 651 00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:37,860 Marie Antoinette that's it for this week 652 00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:40,200 in science for more on the sides of gray 653 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:44,640 hair go to the RAS website RI aus dot 654 00:26:49,940 --> 00:26:47,130 org dot a you follow us on twitter at 655 00:27:04,820 --> 00:26:49,950 arias and like us on facebook I'm cure 656 00:27:10,770 --> 00:27:09,030 and here we are I tell you what week 657 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:10,780 I've been talking to a few people about 658 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:12,490 their ghostly experiences here today 659 00:27:17,460 --> 00:27:14,740 Richard what I muses what I love about 660 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:17,470 this much as how you keep your cool when 661 00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:19,450 someone's trying to sell you a Reiki 662 00:27:22,590 --> 00:27:21,100 reading white like was just happening 663 00:27:24,570 --> 00:27:22,600 then but she said she could project 664 00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:24,580 energy under one of your chakra I 665 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:25,870 believe I actually heard her say that 666 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:27,730 was that correct Richard yeah I think I 667 00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:29,170 felt something in my chakra when she 668 00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:32,020 said that no I I was trying to she said 669 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:34,150 had I ever had Reiki energy or Reiki and 670 00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:35,830 I said no I've never had Reiki energy in 671 00:27:40,170 --> 00:27:37,960 my body and she got to the point where 672 00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:40,180 she said its thermal break it and I owe 673 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:41,860 you can man I said you can measure it 674 00:27:46,110 --> 00:27:44,650 with a thermometer then of course you 675 00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:46,120 can't and it's never happened but she 676 00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:47,680 went down that way and then she said oh 677 00:27:52,350 --> 00:27:50,830 sometimes it takes heed away oh well 678 00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:52,360 that's still thermal just non that's 679 00:27:57,930 --> 00:27:55,270 thermal another direction and so she was 680 00:28:02,220 --> 00:27:57,940 in the woman behind her giving the Reiki 681 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:02,230 to a customer was head desking ok so she 682 00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:05,710 wanted me to go quick I think but it's 683 00:28:09,030 --> 00:28:07,150 been an interesting day so far here at 684 00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:09,040 the paranormal Expo me neither you've 685 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:10,510 been doing a lot of interviews I've been 686 00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:12,460 speaking to a lot of people in the in 687 00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,740 the ghost hunting industry of Australia 688 00:28:18,270 --> 00:28:16,480 there's a few people here and we surely 689 00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,280 is a bit of a ghost hunting area there 690 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:19,600 for various reasons that I've had 691 00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:21,730 explained to me and some people here 692 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:24,070 they're just looking for an explanation 693 00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,930 to an experience that they've had that 694 00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:28,480 was anomalous so I'm not that quick to 695 00:28:31,770 --> 00:28:30,460 ridicule the people here is some in the 696 00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:31,780 skeptical movement might be because 697 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:34,780 they're they're coming here is just they 698 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:36,250 saw something or something happened once 699 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:37,210 and they want to know what it's all 700 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:38,890 about and then they don't really know I 701 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:41,140 can't give me an answer yeah and then 702 00:28:45,270 --> 00:28:43,330 they'll meet one of the people here who 703 00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:45,280 tell them what exactly what it was it 704 00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,230 was a spiritual visitation by XY said 705 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:49,360 they feel happy they've got an answer 706 00:28:52,930 --> 00:28:50,860 and they come and talk to someone like 707 00:28:54,670 --> 00:28:52,940 me they're going to believe me know 708 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:54,680 he was going to pour water on the whole 709 00:28:57,670 --> 00:28:55,970 thing in fact you've even spoken to 710 00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:57,680 someone today where you suggested that 711 00:29:00,130 --> 00:28:58,850 maybe it wasn't a ghost that they 712 00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:00,140 thought but perhaps something else 713 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:03,590 anomalous yeah I said you know how are 714 00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:05,090 you sure it was a ghost maybe it was an 715 00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:06,980 alien and they looked at me bit funny 716 00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:09,320 but they had to think I said it might 717 00:29:12,130 --> 00:29:10,760 have been alien I'm not saying it wasn't 718 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:12,140 are you saying it definitely wasn't an 719 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:13,370 alien and they had to think about it 720 00:29:16,270 --> 00:29:14,810 well what'd you do I think you're just 721 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:16,280 being a little close minded there 722 00:29:19,150 --> 00:29:17,930 because you weren't even opening the 723 00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:19,160 possibility to a transdimensional 724 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:21,140 incident as well I mean we could be 725 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:22,730 something from another dimension or it 726 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:23,930 could be something out of a time 727 00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:25,130 placement there's a number of 728 00:29:29,410 --> 00:29:27,230 explanations BAM Maynard you're better 729 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:29,420 at this game than I am you listen to 730 00:29:33,550 --> 00:29:31,250 mysterious universe a bit more make you 731 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:33,560 know you got to get around alright night 732 00:29:36,850 --> 00:29:35,450 well we better get on with the rest of 733 00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,860 the skeptics and I think coming up now 734 00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:38,480 it's a the interview with michael 735 00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:54,800 and joining me once again on the line 736 00:30:00,020 --> 00:29:57,030 from a lovely sunny I hope it's sunny 737 00:30:02,180 --> 00:30:00,030 Liverpool it's Michael Marshall hello 738 00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:02,190 Michael hello Richard it's a pleasure to 739 00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:04,020 join you again yes thanks for taking out 740 00:30:09,380 --> 00:30:07,470 the time once again to add up here well 741 00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:09,390 I doubt your voice up here on the 742 00:30:13,550 --> 00:30:11,280 skeptic zone we had a good chat last 743 00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:13,560 week about the good thinking society and 744 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:15,480 some of the interesting claims and 745 00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:16,710 things you've come up against that 746 00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,600 mind-body wallet wine body spirit 747 00:30:24,530 --> 00:30:21,360 festivals um i know i'd like to talk 748 00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:24,540 about some something else that you do 749 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:27,600 and i like to do to you like to go and 750 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:30,870 visit psychic shows yeah absolutely i've 751 00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:32,850 been doing it quite a lot of that really 752 00:30:37,670 --> 00:30:35,940 and i use what never fails to amaze me 753 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:37,680 is the stuff that you see in a psychic 754 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:39,450 Shawn and I think it's really easy to 755 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:42,330 first of all from a distance say oh well 756 00:30:45,170 --> 00:30:43,410 they're doing this they're doing that 757 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:45,180 they just do it they're doing call 758 00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:46,290 during this where they're throwing out 759 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:48,420 names and and when it and it's very easy 760 00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:49,650 to see that for mrs. but when you go and 761 00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:52,440 see your clothes it still it never fails 762 00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:55,590 to kind of shocked you the the paucity 763 00:31:00,140 --> 00:30:58,020 of some of the evidence put forward this 764 00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:00,150 sincerity of the belief of the audience 765 00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:02,310 you very much are often kind of veiled 766 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:04,380 by vulnerability nor the kind of blinded 767 00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:07,410 by their grief all or the position that 768 00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,620 they're in and and nothing upsets me 769 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:12,720 more I think than when people were in 770 00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:15,330 the audience for for attending a psychic 771 00:31:18,650 --> 00:31:17,220 Shawn and I would never for a second 772 00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:18,660 think anyone should do that I think 773 00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,430 really any one of us could be in a 774 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:21,960 really horrible vulnerable position and 775 00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:23,250 if we're given the wrong piece of 776 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:24,840 information at the wrong time then who 777 00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:26,730 knows what path you could be down but 778 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:29,670 the fact that the evidence given by 779 00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:32,010 psychics to these people is so flimsy 780 00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:33,660 and yet there are some people in such 781 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:36,060 kind of emotional states really just 782 00:31:40,790 --> 00:31:38,310 sure just how pernicious this area is I 783 00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:40,800 was in a psychic shore just last week 784 00:31:45,980 --> 00:31:44,280 and at one point the psychic connectable 785 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:45,990 one who'd been very vocal on the front 786 00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:47,730 rows we started chiming in and so I'm 787 00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:49,230 not heckling but joining in a jovial 788 00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:50,820 kind of way I'm really clearly wanting 789 00:31:53,660 --> 00:31:52,380 to connect with a psychic and lo and 790 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:53,670 behold the psychic came to her in the 791 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:56,010 second half and it was very quickly 792 00:31:59,260 --> 00:31:57,450 risks that this woman's husband had died 793 00:32:02,120 --> 00:31:59,270 she's probably in her maybe early 50s 794 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:02,130 and then it was the psychic said and 795 00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:04,650 wasn't there someone who there was a 796 00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:06,540 suicide or something that could have 797 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:08,100 been a suicide but it wasn't a suicide 798 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:09,630 it might have seemed to suicide to 799 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:11,730 someone else but you could have seen it 800 00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:12,810 as a suicide but it could have been 801 00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:14,580 something else and she was leaving it so 802 00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:16,500 broad that I could be anything and it 803 00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:18,270 transpired that this woman had happened 804 00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:20,310 to have attempted suicide twice right 805 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:22,950 and at this point anybody in their right 806 00:32:27,770 --> 00:32:25,410 mind and in there right conscious would 807 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:27,780 would just leave it there but what she 808 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:31,410 said this psychic instead was um well 809 00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:32,850 they've told me the person besides told 810 00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,830 me if you do try a third time you'll be 811 00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,720 left in a wheelchair eating through a 812 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:38,640 straw I've come across similar things 813 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:41,130 myself there's a very famous psychic you 814 00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:42,570 know we keep using this term we keep 815 00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:44,940 referring to them as psychics but it's 816 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:47,700 just force of habit I suppose it's easy 817 00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:49,890 to say that been to say so-called or 818 00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:52,350 pretend or oh yeah and in other words do 819 00:32:55,910 --> 00:32:53,670 get you in legal Bubba so at least 820 00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:55,920 likely go sizes a shocker for a million 821 00:33:01,040 --> 00:32:58,710 different that's right there's a very / 822 00:33:04,820 --> 00:33:01,050 well known nerve psychic in this country 823 00:33:09,130 --> 00:33:04,830 who I saw once perform life and she said 824 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:09,140 basically her cold breeding was so 825 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:12,330 abysmal that she went down the road of 826 00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,970 saying you've got some very big fears in 827 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:16,740 your life haven't you dearie she's yes I 828 00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:18,570 do so well I'm afraid they're gonna come 829 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:21,860 true and I'm going what do you say 830 00:33:27,770 --> 00:33:26,370 anyway anyway so it's good to attend I 831 00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:27,780 think last week was saying it's good for 832 00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:29,520 people to go to see mind-body-spirit 833 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:31,820 festival stick those out but it's also 834 00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:34,650 really important to go and see to be in 835 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:37,320 the audience of a psychic show a reading 836 00:33:42,770 --> 00:33:39,330 one of these traveling shows I think 837 00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:42,780 yeah I mean we've got a couple of really 838 00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:44,400 huge psychics here in the UK in fact 839 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:46,140 you'll probably be aware of psychic 840 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:48,870 Sally Sally Morgan over in in ours not 841 00:33:52,820 --> 00:33:51,450 too long ago and oddly enough so I've 842 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:52,830 been doing many many top trying to 843 00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:54,810 country the first talk I ever give give 844 00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:57,030 of this kind of two of this idea that I 845 00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:59,250 have kind of talked about adventures in 846 00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:01,740 pseudoscience was in Middlesbrough in 847 00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:03,480 the northeast of England and I happen to 848 00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:05,550 mention to the audience as I always do 849 00:34:11,569 --> 00:34:09,659 that as prohibitive as the cost of see 850 00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,579 sally morgan might seem and it's about 851 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:14,159 20 25 pounds something like that I do 852 00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:16,530 genuinely see the cost of entrance as 853 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:18,990 the price of an education yeah you learn 854 00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:21,210 so much and the things to see I mean as 855 00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:22,859 a slight aside one of the things sally 856 00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:23,940 morgan does that i think is the most 857 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:25,639 remarkable thing i've ever seen anyone 858 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:28,169 who is doing a psychic sure do and she's 859 00:34:32,809 --> 00:34:30,089 incredibly skilled in it is that she'll 860 00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,819 when she's speaking to someone she will 861 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:35,280 ask them if who did they come there 862 00:34:38,359 --> 00:34:37,049 tonight where thawed you have friends 863 00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:38,369 with you because if you could just stand 864 00:34:42,319 --> 00:34:40,440 up sometimes the energy can really take 865 00:34:43,789 --> 00:34:42,329 it out of you so you need support 866 00:34:45,049 --> 00:34:43,799 because you're friends with user three 867 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:45,059 of you so you stood up in this time a 868 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,649 group of three you'll do a reading on 869 00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:48,240 the middle person and say there's this 870 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:49,470 and there's that and there's the dog 871 00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:51,210 isn't that the middle person won't know 872 00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:52,679 that so should call the person the left 873 00:34:55,579 --> 00:34:53,639 and the person the right if you've got a 874 00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,589 dog whose dog is it oh it's your dog and 875 00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:57,359 now she's doing a reading for three 876 00:35:00,559 --> 00:34:58,740 people and you'll just gotten back 877 00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:00,569 between them and then the best thing she 878 00:35:05,029 --> 00:35:02,430 does and I've seen the psychics do but 879 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:05,039 Sally does it best i think is she'll 880 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,480 mention and then there's the blue van 881 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:08,400 blue van which of you three none of 882 00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:10,049 these three have a blue van hold still a 883 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:11,880 second is someone else's the blue van 884 00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:13,770 who's got the blue band and then that 885 00:35:17,329 --> 00:35:15,900 person stands up and she says you know 886 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:17,339 by the way when the energies come 887 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:18,450 through they can be quite hard design 888 00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:19,650 else with you could all three of you 889 00:35:24,769 --> 00:35:21,270 stand up she's now but six people stood 890 00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:24,779 up and at this point i could read six 891 00:35:28,309 --> 00:35:26,579 people in the crowd just by shotgunning 892 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:28,319 stuff I'm not psychic i get a shotgun 893 00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,410 stuff um but even more so oh if i was to 894 00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:33,420 throw something out not only are they 895 00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,440 going to be trying to make it fit 896 00:35:37,789 --> 00:35:36,240 they're also going to try and be making 897 00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:37,799 it fit before someone else maps it 898 00:35:40,789 --> 00:35:39,480 because they want a reading they want 899 00:35:42,019 --> 00:35:40,799 this be true they want to be there so 900 00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,029 they're going to compete with each other 901 00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:44,460 to have a reading so yeah that's that's 902 00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:45,960 kind of a remarkable thing and I've seen 903 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:48,150 some some some truly remarkable things 904 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:49,410 it's sunny mortgage sure so there's 905 00:35:53,539 --> 00:35:51,450 something I always mentioned whenever I 906 00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:53,549 talk about having visited Sonny Morgan 907 00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:56,220 shores well this list is sorry I just 908 00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:58,260 have to say this whole concept of I'm 909 00:36:02,180 --> 00:35:59,880 going to be ready for you but you know 910 00:36:03,859 --> 00:36:02,190 it's not exactly clear what I'm getting 911 00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:03,869 from the spirits I think it's for you 912 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:06,119 but oh it's for you is that oh yes now I 913 00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:09,210 can I've seen that so many times oh yeah 914 00:36:13,099 --> 00:36:10,859 and I have but I've never seen anyone 915 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:13,109 work it is a skillfully as Sally does 916 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:14,609 and maybe she's genuinely psychic and 917 00:36:20,809 --> 00:36:18,450 maybe she's not so do she is yeah but I 918 00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:20,819 vote that she the solid the show that I 919 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,400 saw his doing Liverpool one time she 920 00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:24,720 possessed she gets possessed by the 921 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:26,099 spirits of people she's talking to 922 00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:27,690 mm-hmm and when people say what's the 923 00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,630 harm okay so she was speaking to a young 924 00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:31,500 mother near the front of the audience 925 00:36:36,289 --> 00:36:33,869 probably late 20s and then we 926 00:36:38,299 --> 00:36:36,299 established that this this poor lady had 927 00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:38,309 lost a daughter as a toddler who drowned 928 00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:40,049 in a swimming pool and Sally got 929 00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:42,359 possessed by the spirit of this lady's 930 00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:45,240 toddler and she said sally morgan 931 00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:48,359 onstage said Mummy Mummy I can't breathe 932 00:36:53,269 --> 00:36:50,430 mummy I'm scared mommy I can't breathe 933 00:36:54,859 --> 00:36:53,279 and as far as I can see this could all 934 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:54,869 you've come about through two different 935 00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:56,970 ways one is that sally morgan is 936 00:36:59,809 --> 00:36:58,410 genuinely psychic and genuinely gets 937 00:37:02,240 --> 00:36:59,819 possessed by the spirits of the dead and 938 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:02,250 can't help it if she comes across as in 939 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:04,410 poor taste because she's not in control 940 00:37:07,849 --> 00:37:06,089 of herself and the other way is that 941 00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:07,859 sunny Morgan made a conscious decision 942 00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,990 to do an impersonation of a dead toddler 943 00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:11,520 infant for grieving mother in front of a 944 00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:13,740 paying audience all right I cannot think 945 00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:15,180 of a third way I can't think of a third 946 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:16,470 scenario that this happened and if if 947 00:37:20,059 --> 00:37:18,089 listeners can think of a plausible third 948 00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:20,069 syllabary but I'm winning by I think 949 00:37:22,279 --> 00:37:21,180 it's one of the other and I wouldn't 950 00:37:23,779 --> 00:37:22,289 like to speculate as to which of the two 951 00:37:26,269 --> 00:37:23,789 it is but I do think it's an important 952 00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,279 question as to whether it was genuine or 953 00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:27,839 whether it wasn't and it's a shame that 954 00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:30,119 that other side kicks out there and 955 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:31,470 sally morgan out but in particular 956 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:34,650 hasn't felt that it's a worthwhile 957 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:36,690 question to answer because she's been 958 00:37:40,279 --> 00:37:38,670 given the opportunity we challenged her 959 00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:40,289 in 2011 to take the million-dollar 960 00:37:44,839 --> 00:37:43,020 challenge by just doing what she does on 961 00:37:46,339 --> 00:37:44,849 stage we knew where she was on the date 962 00:37:47,809 --> 00:37:46,349 morning of Halloween she was already in 963 00:37:49,549 --> 00:37:47,819 my city on the morning of Halloween it 964 00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:49,559 seemed too good to miss yeah and so he 965 00:37:52,940 --> 00:37:51,150 said you know at the time she was suing 966 00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,950 the Daily Mail for alleging this and 967 00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:54,960 alleging that and she successfully sued 968 00:37:58,430 --> 00:37:56,220 them and we were just saying instead of 969 00:38:00,019 --> 00:37:58,440 suing your critics just proof your 970 00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:00,029 rights just prove us wrong oh yeah yeah 971 00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:02,460 oh well you can't prove anything to the 972 00:38:06,859 --> 00:38:05,400 skeptics now well end of argue that's it 973 00:38:08,059 --> 00:38:06,869 you can't prove anything with skeptics 974 00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:08,069 oh she's right you know you can't prove 975 00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:10,440 anything that skeptics well I mean 976 00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:11,339 there's a remarkable thing that's 977 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:12,630 happening with Sally at the moment it's 978 00:38:15,019 --> 00:38:13,710 something that we've been doing we've 979 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:15,029 been helping out with a good thinking 980 00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:17,609 society because a young chapter came to 981 00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:19,710 us a little while ago to a lone skeptic 982 00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:22,520 who decided he was kind of annoyed with 983 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:25,380 how some psychics out there may well not 984 00:38:30,019 --> 00:38:27,210 be psychic or this may well be but he 985 00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:30,029 just wants to spread the ideas about 986 00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:31,740 whether someone is psychic or not so he 987 00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,390 was just he created a little leaflet 988 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:36,000 that said if someone psychic you want to 989 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:36,690 see whether 990 00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:37,980 if they're asking you lots of questions 991 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:39,660 and if they're providing if they're just 992 00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:41,730 saying general stuff and not be very 993 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:43,950 specific maybe they're not really 994 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:45,089 psychic you know if they're really 995 00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:47,010 psychic they wouldn't need to say does 996 00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:49,020 anybody know a John or a father figure 997 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:50,339 there may be a bit more specific than 998 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:52,170 that yeah and it was very good leaflet I 999 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:54,089 was saying you know if you are asked to 1000 00:38:58,460 --> 00:38:56,730 fill in any information beforehand or if 1001 00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,470 you should be careful what you say 1002 00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,000 before the show starts in case someone's 1003 00:39:02,809 --> 00:39:01,680 listening because if I genuinely psychic 1004 00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:02,819 they wouldn't need to ask you any 1005 00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,619 information first and he was handling 1006 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:06,000 some of those leaflets out outside of 1007 00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:08,490 Sally Morgan's Shores first of all but 1008 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:09,540 just because she just saw many more 1009 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:11,010 shows that everyone else she was kind of 1010 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:14,010 first on the list and Sally's manager he 1011 00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:16,530 was a husband came out and was very 1012 00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:19,710 bullish you know it's funny how to came 1013 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:21,270 to us afterwards this this is this 1014 00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:24,180 skeptical chap mark who's a very very 1015 00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:27,240 dedicated skeptic and he was just 1016 00:39:31,579 --> 00:39:29,099 telling stories of how you know this 1017 00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:31,589 husband of Sally Morgan's was saying 1018 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:33,569 this and telling me he was gonna be sued 1019 00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:34,950 and that the police were gonna comb and 1020 00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,300 he was gonna punch him and all this kind 1021 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:38,640 of quite aggressive stuff hmm and so of 1022 00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,260 course mark went back and hand out 1023 00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:41,760 leaflets outside of another officials 1024 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:44,670 and had an audio recording of what was 1025 00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:46,290 going on and there's still quite 1026 00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:48,270 aggressive stuff from from Sally Mogens 1027 00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:51,300 husband so we encourage mark if he was 1028 00:39:55,099 --> 00:39:53,310 going to do it again just be sure that 1029 00:39:56,809 --> 00:39:55,109 you've got footage of it or you've got 1030 00:39:58,700 --> 00:39:56,819 some record just in case you know you in 1031 00:40:00,200 --> 00:39:58,710 a position that's uh that's not very 1032 00:40:01,550 --> 00:40:00,210 safe for you or if you feel threatened 1033 00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:01,560 at least you'll be able to know what 1034 00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,240 actually happened so he went along to 1035 00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:05,760 her show with a camera covert camera and 1036 00:40:10,579 --> 00:40:07,950 it's again John Morgan comes out and 1037 00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:10,589 he's incredibly as far as I could see 1038 00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:12,200 quite aggressive on the footage and 1039 00:40:16,819 --> 00:40:14,910 shouting homophobic abuse at this poor 1040 00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:16,829 chap and all sorts of really remarkable 1041 00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:19,560 things and um and then afterwards of 1042 00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:21,300 course having been through all of this 1043 00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:23,990 mark gets a letter from Sally's lawyers 1044 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:26,430 instructing them that they're in there 1045 00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:28,290 looking into beginning legal proceedings 1046 00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:31,550 for libel and harassment and for 1047 00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:33,780 interference and emotional distress and 1048 00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:35,940 a whole laundry list of different things 1049 00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:38,190 that if you if you watch the footage it 1050 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:39,660 certainly didn't see my markers doing an 1051 00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:41,130 awful lot of any of those things and if 1052 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:43,020 you're talking about harassment it's 1053 00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:44,970 very hard to see how how mark very 1054 00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:46,829 quietly handing out leaflets outside of 1055 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:49,480 a show on public property is 1056 00:40:54,030 --> 00:40:51,970 harassment so yeah that was it has been 1057 00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:54,040 a very interesting few months of having 1058 00:41:00,060 --> 00:40:57,760 some entertaining and at times quite 1059 00:41:01,859 --> 00:41:00,070 Stern exchanges with Sally Morgan 1060 00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:01,869 Morgan's lawyers and unfortunately mark 1061 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:03,160 was able to come to us and we're able to 1062 00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:04,210 get in the legal help that he needed 1063 00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:05,710 without it costing me a huge fortune 1064 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:06,700 because all eyes he could have racked up 1065 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:09,430 thousands of pounds defending something 1066 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:11,530 that he certainly didn't feel he was uh 1067 00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:15,750 he had committed anything wrong bear and 1068 00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:17,859 fortunately that the legal care seems to 1069 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:19,150 have been dropped before it really got 1070 00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:21,130 started it never actually went to a full 1071 00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,320 legal proceedings but it certainly would 1072 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:24,640 have caused a few sleepless nights I did 1073 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:26,050 not had someone able to help him out 1074 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:28,510 there any I mean all these people how 1075 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:30,010 these cycles could save themselves so 1076 00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:32,290 much trouble just by our showing us that 1077 00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:36,070 their powers are genuine yeah and you 1078 00:41:38,849 --> 00:41:37,180 know that's that's it that's exactly 1079 00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,859 what we say no that's exactly what they 1080 00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:41,440 did and I'd be very interested in being 1081 00:41:44,730 --> 00:41:43,060 involved in that test and we've tests of 1082 00:41:46,859 --> 00:41:44,740 tests of psychics in the past and I'd be 1083 00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,869 very interested to do as well and uh but 1084 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:48,400 i think that the remarkable thing is all 1085 00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:49,930 integers don't realize is that these 1086 00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:51,700 tests are out there that they can be 1087 00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:55,000 done and that there are the reasons that 1088 00:41:58,590 --> 00:41:56,230 are given by psychic to return these 1089 00:42:00,090 --> 00:41:58,600 tests down don't necessarily seem to 1090 00:42:03,530 --> 00:42:00,100 hold water when you really look at them 1091 00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:03,540 you know you can sue a newspaper about 1092 00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:06,340 the criticism they're giving you but to 1093 00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:08,020 silence them for good you could just 1094 00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,940 show in a very simple demonstration that 1095 00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:12,160 you're genuine yum yum sorry but again 1096 00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,140 though they've got the trump card up 1097 00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:16,960 their sleeve all these people of the 1098 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:19,600 public perception of the typical skeptic 1099 00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:21,430 who is somebody who is nasty and out 1100 00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:25,780 there to make a fool or demean the 1101 00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:28,720 psychics or certainly not not never to 1102 00:42:32,430 --> 00:42:31,000 admit that they're real I mean the 1103 00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:32,440 public perception is that people like 1104 00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:34,630 you and I will go to extraordinary 1105 00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,830 lengths to be to be evil and spoil 1106 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:41,280 sports or I get all these terms come up 1107 00:42:46,170 --> 00:42:44,200 and all they entered they're believers 1108 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:46,180 that's certainly the case that's what 1109 00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:47,650 that's what we do that's the sort of 1110 00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:49,270 people we are so that they get a 1111 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:51,340 wonderful get-out-of-jail-free card that 1112 00:42:56,849 --> 00:42:54,130 they simply say i don't want associate 1113 00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:56,859 with these nasty evil people who want to 1114 00:43:03,089 --> 00:42:59,950 who want to spoil your chance to talk 1115 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:03,099 with your lost loved ones ya know I 1116 00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:05,650 I I completely agree and that's really 1117 00:43:10,289 --> 00:43:08,200 why all the way through October we're 1118 00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:10,299 going to be helping mark and other 1119 00:43:14,339 --> 00:43:12,670 skeptics groups around the country in 1120 00:43:16,829 --> 00:43:14,349 handing out these very reasonable 1121 00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:16,839 leaflets that mark are prepared outside 1122 00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:18,609 of psychic shores and they're very much 1123 00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:20,380 making the point that you know some 1124 00:43:24,029 --> 00:43:22,630 psychics may be psychics a genuine but 1125 00:43:26,219 --> 00:43:24,039 we do know that other side kicks or 1126 00:43:27,479 --> 00:43:26,229 other people can appear to be psychic 1127 00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,489 when they don't have any abilities and 1128 00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,720 here are some of the things that they do 1129 00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,160 so if you spot someone doing this you 1130 00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:31,839 might want to just question the evidence 1131 00:43:34,769 --> 00:43:32,920 you getting and see whether there's any 1132 00:43:36,509 --> 00:43:34,779 any validity to it we're going to be 1133 00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:36,519 trying to hand those out every psychic 1134 00:43:40,049 --> 00:43:38,440 sure who you can get you in October as a 1135 00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,059 kind of a psychic awareness month and 1136 00:43:43,819 --> 00:43:42,400 really it's to say the first time in the 1137 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:43,829 first couple of times this was happening 1138 00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,410 mark was as far as we could see handing 1139 00:43:50,999 --> 00:43:49,359 out very very reasonable information he 1140 00:43:52,529 --> 00:43:51,009 was doing in a very very polite way he 1141 00:43:54,989 --> 00:43:52,539 certainly wasn't the nasty aggressives 1142 00:43:57,269 --> 00:43:54,999 skeptic he was there because he really 1143 00:43:59,039 --> 00:43:57,279 cares you know and many of us really 1144 00:44:01,440 --> 00:43:59,049 care about the people who are going 1145 00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:01,450 along these shores and the people who in 1146 00:44:05,279 --> 00:44:03,460 other places will spend huge amounts of 1147 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:05,289 their time and their money and their 1148 00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:08,170 emotional investment really really 1149 00:44:12,539 --> 00:44:10,150 pursuing this area and if it's not true 1150 00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:12,549 then it's a real shame you know it's a 1151 00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:15,190 genuine waste so because we care we try 1152 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:16,329 and be there and just try and be nice 1153 00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:17,710 and compassionate I think it's important 1154 00:44:21,209 --> 00:44:18,660 for us to have that kind of 1155 00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:21,219 compassionate approach really absolutely 1156 00:44:25,620 --> 00:44:23,109 right now these leaflets that are going 1157 00:44:27,059 --> 00:44:25,630 to be distributed available on the 1158 00:44:29,249 --> 00:44:27,069 website or they just something bigger 1159 00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:29,259 looking after yourself yeah well we 1160 00:44:32,279 --> 00:44:30,700 should be putting on the website book 1161 00:44:33,809 --> 00:44:32,289 certainly throughout october what we're 1162 00:44:35,759 --> 00:44:33,819 looking to do is handle a lot of it 1163 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:35,769 ourselves mainly because what we don't 1164 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:37,690 want and I know that some people might 1165 00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,430 be incredibly enthusiastic get involved 1166 00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:41,440 and that enthusiasm is is very much 1167 00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:43,960 needed in skepticism but for this kind 1168 00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:46,180 of first stage of it we don't want 50 1169 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:47,440 people turning up outside of a show 1170 00:44:50,099 --> 00:44:48,729 because then that would make us look 1171 00:44:51,299 --> 00:44:50,109 like a kind of a bit more pounded so I 1172 00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:51,309 think we've got all the volunteers that 1173 00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:53,950 we need for just two to three people 1174 00:44:57,329 --> 00:44:55,630 outside of each sure because really all 1175 00:44:59,309 --> 00:44:57,339 we're trying to be doing and the biggest 1176 00:45:02,160 --> 00:44:59,319 kind of side of our guess is to show 1177 00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:02,170 that skeptics aren't these nasty evil 1178 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:04,660 aggressive you know people just trying 1179 00:45:09,539 --> 00:45:07,690 to spoil fun but that we can be there 1180 00:45:12,059 --> 00:45:09,549 because we care and we're compassionate 1181 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:12,069 and we think this is a real issue that 1182 00:45:16,770 --> 00:45:14,890 is worth spending time on and we think 1183 00:45:19,110 --> 00:45:16,780 we've got a very fair and even-handed 1184 00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:19,120 the side that if people were able to 1185 00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:20,710 listen to it then maybe they won't 1186 00:45:23,580 --> 00:45:21,940 change their mind then maybe they'll 1187 00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:23,590 never change their mind but just maybe 1188 00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,390 there'll be something there that they'll 1189 00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:26,800 think I never thought about that before 1190 00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:28,750 maybe I'll just question it in the 1191 00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:30,220 future maybe I'll just hold on to this 1192 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:32,920 and think does this stack up and that's 1193 00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:34,510 really all we're looking for I think and 1194 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:37,390 it's just a real shame to see that when 1195 00:45:43,110 --> 00:45:39,130 that was being done the first couple of 1196 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:43,120 times there were different techniques 1197 00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:45,250 that seemed to being used certainly 1198 00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:48,400 intimidation physically verbally and 1199 00:45:52,740 --> 00:45:50,620 then laterally legally yeah in order to 1200 00:45:54,030 --> 00:45:52,750 silence what is clearly just a free 1201 00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,040 speech issue you know we're allowed to 1202 00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:56,800 question ideas if we're especially if 1203 00:46:01,470 --> 00:45:58,680 we're doing it in a non-aggressive 1204 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:01,480 non-confrontational very polite way 1205 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:04,810 there is no reason to become physically 1206 00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:07,330 abusive for verbally abusive or to 1207 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:10,380 involve lawyers to try and stifle any 1208 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:12,610 fair comment I think and that's that 1209 00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,290 because we care an awful lot about that 1210 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:16,480 right too to comment that's why we're 1211 00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:17,650 really doing this throughout October 1212 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:20,800 especially the right to question ideas 1213 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:22,570 that fly in the face of very well 1214 00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:24,970 understood and known established laws of 1215 00:46:29,310 --> 00:46:28,000 physics yeah well absolutely you know it 1216 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:29,320 may be like so I always like to leave 1217 00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:31,090 that possibility that maybe psychics are 1218 00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,070 real but it's a shame that there aren't 1219 00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:35,200 any psychics out there trying to show 1220 00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:36,760 that this is real you know this isn't 1221 00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:38,590 like other areas of research we're on 1222 00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:40,540 the cutting edge of what we understand 1223 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:42,460 is always being advanced nothing is 1224 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:45,250 advanced in centuries of purported signs 1225 00:46:49,410 --> 00:46:47,650 abilities is the same stuff in fact one 1226 00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:49,420 of the things that even Sally is doing 1227 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:51,160 during his show is asking people to you 1228 00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:53,050 know write down their questions and 1229 00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:54,790 their name on a piece of paper that gets 1230 00:46:58,050 --> 00:46:56,710 folded up and put in a glass bowl on 1231 00:46:59,760 --> 00:46:58,060 stage and she can lift something out the 1232 00:47:02,370 --> 00:46:59,770 glass bowl and answer your question 1233 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:02,380 before she opens it and and I think 1234 00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:04,090 that's an unfortunate thing to be doing 1235 00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:05,980 a part of a genuine psychic shore 1236 00:47:11,550 --> 00:47:09,670 because to a an external and untrained 1237 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:11,560 eye it looks an awful lot like an 1238 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:13,450 old-fashioned spilett read and you know 1239 00:47:17,610 --> 00:47:15,490 magicians can do a very similar 1240 00:47:20,490 --> 00:47:17,620 appearing trick without it any psychic 1241 00:47:22,410 --> 00:47:20,500 ability so I guess my advice would be to 1242 00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:22,420 Sally if she is genuinely psychic she 1243 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:23,950 genuinely she psychic and maybe she's 1244 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:25,690 genuinely psychic but personally I 1245 00:47:29,070 --> 00:47:27,370 wouldn't be doing as much of that side 1246 00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:29,080 of the act because it does appear from 1247 00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:31,030 the outside like something image 1248 00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:32,830 you do that's interesting I didn't know 1249 00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,020 that so there are magicians out there 1250 00:47:38,850 --> 00:47:36,640 and I've seen this where they there's a 1251 00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,860 trick call there the billet readers you 1252 00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,200 say all the one ahead method which is a 1253 00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,200 fun trick and it's very entertaining um 1254 00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:45,760 so oh that's interesting to know that 1255 00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:48,940 she she can do that for real how about 1256 00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:51,400 that yeah and you know maybe she's doing 1257 00:47:56,610 --> 00:47:53,640 yet the thing I guess that kind of 1258 00:47:59,220 --> 00:47:56,620 interests me is that this resembles a 1259 00:48:01,050 --> 00:47:59,230 billet read it has the same appearance 1260 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:01,060 of it and personally if I was psychic 1261 00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,410 out I'd stay away from anything that 1262 00:48:06,510 --> 00:48:04,960 could be misconstrued as a magic trick I 1263 00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:06,520 think I think that's that's a pretty 1264 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:08,440 good advice psychics out there there's 1265 00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:10,930 some good advice goodbye see who says a 1266 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:12,460 skeptics out there looking to help swear 1267 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:14,410 help for wealthy people offering advice 1268 00:48:19,950 --> 00:48:17,170 is work shopping let's round off our 1269 00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:19,960 conversation will be reasonable let's 1270 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:21,580 all be reasonable what can you tell me 1271 00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:24,250 about be reasonable yeah be reasonable 1272 00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:27,430 so it's a show I'm really very proud to 1273 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:29,020 be doing really I rien joy it an awful 1274 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:32,170 lot and it gets them very attend mixed 1275 00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:33,970 feedback because what we do would be 1276 00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:35,470 reasonable is we have somebody on the 1277 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,180 shore whose ideas we completely disagree 1278 00:48:41,550 --> 00:48:39,760 with so the lid show that went out at 1279 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:41,560 the very end of sep tember is with a 1280 00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:44,050 psychiatrist who hypnotizes people in 1281 00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:45,670 order to speak to the spirits that are 1282 00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:47,350 possessing them and that's what's 1283 00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:48,910 causing their psychiatric disorders is 1284 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:51,150 that they're possessed by spirits I 1285 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:53,410 disagree that there are spirits out 1286 00:48:57,780 --> 00:48:54,730 there I disagree that psychiatric 1287 00:49:00,750 --> 00:48:57,790 disorders are caused by spirits but 1288 00:49:02,820 --> 00:49:00,760 rather than having an aggressive and 1289 00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:02,830 confrontational approach and saying well 1290 00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:05,230 you're wrong and here's why because with 1291 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:06,670 that approach only other leads to people 1292 00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,810 shutting down the pit offenses 1293 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:09,760 immediately you never get past the gate 1294 00:49:14,670 --> 00:49:11,650 so you never get to understand how those 1295 00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:14,680 beliefs are constructed instead I think 1296 00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:16,390 if you try and have an actual 1297 00:49:20,610 --> 00:49:18,420 conversation a genuine honest 1298 00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:20,620 inquisitive conversation and ask people 1299 00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:22,510 what they believe they'll tell you 1300 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:23,620 because people like talking about 1301 00:49:26,550 --> 00:49:24,850 something that's did they're like 1302 00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:26,560 talking to people about their beliefs 1303 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:28,540 know if you're just asking questions and 1304 00:49:33,210 --> 00:49:31,450 you're just starting to probe the edges 1305 00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:33,220 of it and start to understand it and you 1306 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:34,510 really go with the mindset of 1307 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:37,210 understanding rather than fighting then 1308 00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:38,890 you really get into places that you 1309 00:49:41,490 --> 00:49:40,180 wouldn't have done in a conversation you 1310 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:41,500 can get in the middle of this maze of 1311 00:49:45,970 --> 00:49:44,210 beliefs and sometimes you'll find some 1312 00:49:48,849 --> 00:49:45,980 surprising you know and I've had shows 1313 00:49:52,270 --> 00:49:48,859 in the past where the reason for 1314 00:49:53,650 --> 00:49:52,280 someone's actions as stated doesn't seem 1315 00:49:56,770 --> 00:49:53,660 to stack up and actually you can see 1316 00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:56,780 that it appears to me that the reasons 1317 00:50:00,970 --> 00:49:58,330 that using as a chap in fact he was 1318 00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:00,980 picketing abortion clinics because he's 1319 00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:02,510 a Christian and one of things he was 1320 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:03,680 doing he was going standing outside of 1321 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:05,450 abortion clinics and handing out barely 1322 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:06,890 close to women as they were going in 1323 00:50:10,270 --> 00:50:09,050 saying we owe your Christianity would be 1324 00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:10,280 saying that you need to be compassionate 1325 00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:12,140 you need to show carrying through it for 1326 00:50:16,510 --> 00:50:14,270 your fellow man so would you not rather 1327 00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:16,520 take those baby clothes and go to a 1328 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:18,470 domestic violence shelter and hand them 1329 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:20,330 out to women who might have fled from 1330 00:50:22,750 --> 00:50:21,530 abusive partners in the middle of the 1331 00:50:24,579 --> 00:50:22,760 night with nothing but the clothes on 1332 00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:24,589 their and their children's backs and 1333 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:25,700 there were there your clothes will be 1334 00:50:28,810 --> 00:50:26,930 used your active compassion will 1335 00:50:30,190 --> 00:50:28,820 actually have a positive side rather 1336 00:50:32,890 --> 00:50:30,200 than handing it to her than who Luke 1337 00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:32,900 leader wanted and obviously this was 1338 00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:34,070 something he hadn't really thought which 1339 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:34,880 about he wasn't really comfortable 1340 00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:36,890 because clearly the baby clothes weren't 1341 00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:39,470 there is a as help as he was saying he 1342 00:50:42,010 --> 00:50:40,550 was in well this is to help them out 1343 00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:42,020 with it the children it clearly wasn't 1344 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:43,550 that he was clearly using as a tactic 1345 00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,930 whether he was admitting it to himself a 1346 00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:47,359 lot yeah um and even asking him about 1347 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:50,599 the biblical support for his his 1348 00:50:54,070 --> 00:50:52,490 position I expected him to come back 1349 00:50:55,810 --> 00:50:54,080 chapter and verse here of different bits 1350 00:50:57,310 --> 00:50:55,820 and I did a little research and the end 1351 00:50:58,570 --> 00:50:57,320 what he did was he said he had some 1352 00:51:00,220 --> 00:50:58,580 piece of paper written somewhere that 1353 00:51:01,660 --> 00:51:00,230 his brother had written some verses on 1354 00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:01,670 but he can't find a piece of paper at 1355 00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:04,280 the moment from this is you you're going 1356 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:06,140 to three different cities picketing 1357 00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:08,210 their abortion clinics because of your 1358 00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,430 Christianity purportedly and yet when I 1359 00:51:14,349 --> 00:51:12,400 asked you about Christian the good about 1360 00:51:16,359 --> 00:51:14,359 Christianity's approach to abortion 1361 00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:16,369 you've got nothing so clearly your 1362 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:18,380 Christianity isn't the core of what 1363 00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:19,490 you're doing this and when you really 1364 00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:21,020 start to get into a bit more we had some 1365 00:51:26,099 --> 00:51:23,480 very very dubious sexual politics yet 1366 00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:26,109 for some very odd ideas about 1367 00:51:30,550 --> 00:51:27,950 relationship between men and women and 1368 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:30,560 their subsequent standings in society 1369 00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,450 and it seemed that there's a lot of it 1370 00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:34,880 really the the religion was I don't have 1371 00:51:38,050 --> 00:51:36,200 said facades I think he honestly 1372 00:51:40,810 --> 00:51:38,060 believed it but for me it didn't seem 1373 00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:40,820 the convince her it seemed the the real 1374 00:51:44,740 --> 00:51:43,369 it seemed the the explanation rather the 1375 00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:44,750 reason if that makes sense it seemed 1376 00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:47,359 like the front rather than the core 1377 00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:50,510 motivation and I think if you went up to 1378 00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:52,070 him knowing that he was picketing 1379 00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:53,420 abortion clinics because he's a 1380 00:51:56,290 --> 00:51:54,950 Christian and you stopped there then 1381 00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:56,300 you've seen well the Bible your bible 1382 00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:57,650 thumper is this it's not it's not you 1383 00:51:59,650 --> 00:51:58,040 stay where 1384 00:52:01,540 --> 00:51:59,660 ng religious and you'd never get into 1385 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:01,550 what was actually going on so I think by 1386 00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:02,930 asking people about their beliefs and 1387 00:52:06,070 --> 00:52:04,190 having conversations you end up in 1388 00:52:07,450 --> 00:52:06,080 places that you were expecting and they 1389 00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:07,460 weren't expecting and I don't think 1390 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:08,960 about a single episode would be 1391 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:10,970 reasonable where the guest hasn't stayed 1392 00:52:13,810 --> 00:52:12,650 friends with me afterwards even though 1393 00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,820 we've had some pretty robust 1394 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:15,680 conversations oh yeah it's something i'm 1395 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:16,610 really happy on that no it's a 1396 00:52:20,970 --> 00:52:18,170 remarkable for those people who don't 1397 00:52:24,220 --> 00:52:20,980 know of course be reasonable is it's 1398 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:24,230 what it's well well it's not it's not 1399 00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:27,530 you being on your other podcast of 1400 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:30,440 course no it's a very different very 1401 00:52:35,590 --> 00:52:32,330 different side of me to skeptics or the 1402 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:35,600 K scottish allah ke is is first and 1403 00:52:38,980 --> 00:52:37,130 foremost we're doing it to be funny I 1404 00:52:41,290 --> 00:52:38,990 think we're doing it to have a laugh 1405 00:52:43,330 --> 00:52:41,300 amongst friends it's kind of it I guess 1406 00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:43,340 it's more in insular in terms of the 1407 00:52:47,410 --> 00:52:45,470 skeptical our circle the skeptic 1408 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:47,420 community it's looking in whereas the 1409 00:52:50,830 --> 00:52:49,490 reasonable is is much more responsible 1410 00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:50,840 an outward-facing because sometimes you 1411 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:52,310 need to just let off steam and joke 1412 00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:54,650 around and we do get big so the K is 1413 00:53:00,730 --> 00:52:56,420 perfect for that of course you do have 1414 00:53:03,130 --> 00:53:00,740 that shows or is known for it's like a 1415 00:53:05,050 --> 00:53:03,140 chat with friends and Daleks you know 1416 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:05,060 it's always yeah exactly and then the 1417 00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:07,490 thing is we will ridicule other beliefs 1418 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:09,230 will ridicule our own beliefs you know 1419 00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,210 we'll really cool people will from from 1420 00:53:14,620 --> 00:53:12,800 both sides will ridicule ourselves as 1421 00:53:16,990 --> 00:53:14,630 much as ridicul of the skeptics as much 1422 00:53:18,550 --> 00:53:17,000 as it already kill believers and we like 1423 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:18,560 to keep it fairly even-handed and as 1424 00:53:23,770 --> 00:53:20,930 much as it's light-hearted and there's 1425 00:53:25,810 --> 00:53:23,780 no malice aura or intent on mal intent 1426 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:25,820 in any of it really but be reason was is 1427 00:53:30,820 --> 00:53:28,610 where we're really showing how I think 1428 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:30,830 we have a conversation with someone and 1429 00:53:35,860 --> 00:53:33,050 it genuinely is a conversation january's 1430 00:53:37,330 --> 00:53:35,870 occurring exploration of beliefs and an 1431 00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:37,340 ex planned and understanding of beliefs 1432 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:39,560 and I think it's personally I find so 1433 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:41,330 much value in that whenever I have the 1434 00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:42,530 opportunity to speak to someone I 1435 00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:44,630 disagree with I find this value there 1436 00:53:49,870 --> 00:53:47,710 because I think in our lives we all have 1437 00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,880 limitless possibilities limitless 1438 00:53:53,530 --> 00:53:51,920 opportunities usually to talk to 1439 00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:53,540 somebody we agree with or to fill a room 1440 00:53:57,580 --> 00:53:55,730 with friends who broadly will share many 1441 00:53:59,650 --> 00:53:57,590 of the same beliefs as us so I think we 1442 00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,660 should really grasp and unveil you the 1443 00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:02,000 chances to have our belief challenged in 1444 00:54:06,610 --> 00:54:04,250 fact on the later show in fact one of 1445 00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:06,620 the one of the things Alan Sanderson is 1446 00:54:11,230 --> 00:54:08,540 psychologists saying to me he starts 1447 00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:11,240 talkative about why I'm a skeptic and 1448 00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,780 what 1449 00:54:15,340 --> 00:54:13,280 skepticism as a belief system is about 1450 00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:15,350 and what he said is if we could prove 1451 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:17,300 that any of this paranormal stuff is 1452 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:19,250 real then your entire belief system is 1453 00:54:22,810 --> 00:54:21,170 shattered how do you stop your belief 1454 00:54:24,310 --> 00:54:22,820 system being shattered their several is 1455 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:24,320 very simple if you want to stop your 1456 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:25,850 belief system being shattered don't make 1457 00:54:29,350 --> 00:54:27,530 it out of glass no don't make your 1458 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:29,360 belief system so precious and porcelain 1459 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:31,730 but it's so inflexible just as soon as 1460 00:54:35,290 --> 00:54:33,170 it's challenged you will make its out 1461 00:54:37,330 --> 00:54:35,300 something robust to make it semi I mean 1462 00:54:39,070 --> 00:54:37,340 pliable and shift and change it took 1463 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:39,080 according to the evidence that the 1464 00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:41,090 common fallacy these people make is this 1465 00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:43,460 human that we have a belief system which 1466 00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:45,430 says that their belief system is a 1467 00:54:51,970 --> 00:54:47,660 impossible or incorrect or we won't be 1468 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:51,980 open to this that they impose on us what 1469 00:54:57,850 --> 00:54:55,130 their own system is in a respect their 1470 00:55:00,220 --> 00:54:57,860 own mindset people say to me well if 1471 00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:00,230 you're skeptics of you if something was 1472 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:01,670 shown to you to be real then your whole 1473 00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:03,650 existence would be meaningless something 1474 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:05,660 that you don't get it do you it doesn't 1475 00:55:10,780 --> 00:55:07,450 work like that with skepticism 1476 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:10,790 skepticism and as a method it's an 1477 00:55:15,370 --> 00:55:12,410 approach it's a way to look at things 1478 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:15,380 the conclusion is be you know the cards 1479 00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,450 will fall where they may that the chips 1480 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:20,000 that the skepticism is not an entrenched 1481 00:55:26,380 --> 00:55:24,410 belief system in any sense no and how my 1482 00:55:28,210 --> 00:55:26,390 favorite kind of way of summing that up 1483 00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:28,220 is something that Michael who have got a 1484 00:55:31,420 --> 00:55:29,630 huge much respect for he's one of my 1485 00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,430 favorite skeptics in the world very 1486 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:32,960 fortunately happens to live in the same 1487 00:55:37,060 --> 00:55:35,330 city as me my cold as the most amazing 1488 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:37,070 Richard Saunders impersonation I've ever 1489 00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:40,610 heard it does that's true it's 1490 00:55:45,790 --> 00:55:44,240 Australian accent it's not but Howie 1491 00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:45,800 Howie characterized that point of view 1492 00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:48,590 is that as much as possible I want what 1493 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:50,840 I believe to be true and there's two 1494 00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:52,850 ways of accomplishing that I can change 1495 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:55,250 the world too much my beliefs or I can 1496 00:55:59,350 --> 00:55:57,530 change my belief to match the world and 1497 00:56:02,080 --> 00:55:59,360 the second of those is a lot less effort 1498 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:02,090 much easier you know it takes a lot less 1499 00:56:05,710 --> 00:56:03,890 effort to do so i'll just change what I 1500 00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:05,720 think what I know it's wrong mm-hmm 1501 00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:07,840 that's pretty cool how can people find 1502 00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:10,820 be reasonable so you can go to 1503 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:13,400 Merseyside skeptics dog Duke a forward 1504 00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:15,650 slash podcasts and there you'll find be 1505 00:56:19,210 --> 00:56:17,360 reasonable you'll find sketchy to the K 1506 00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:19,220 and you'll find our other kind of comedy 1507 00:56:22,540 --> 00:56:20,990 panel Shore incredulous so that's kind 1508 00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:22,550 of where you get all our podcasting 1509 00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:23,800 output there 1510 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:25,780 I hope I can look forward to getting a 1511 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:28,450 promo from you pretty soon for being 1512 00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,570 reasonable that would be nice I'll send 1513 00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,760 you an over okay promising you you have 1514 00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:35,920 you it's a new probables anyway that's 1515 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:38,470 less rich it well you are you're rubbish 1516 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:40,330 i mean i've been playing skeptics with a 1517 00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:44,370 k promo now the same 24 years is 1518 00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:46,780 embarrassing thing is big right it's 1519 00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:48,910 still great but well the embarrassing 1520 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:50,560 your thing is the third the latest one 1521 00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:52,690 the second one says that only three 1522 00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:54,190 men's done between and it's not three 1523 00:56:58,620 --> 00:56:56,380 million column f like six months ago 1524 00:56:59,850 --> 00:56:58,630 it's Alice now and alice is fantastic 1525 00:57:01,260 --> 00:56:59,860 and you know has brought a whole 1526 00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:01,270 different side of things and we just 1527 00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:02,680 need to update our advert every way 1528 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:04,150 useless useless people there you go 1529 00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:06,490 there's your task there's your task 1530 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:09,190 could you choose to accept it is in the 1531 00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:11,290 next little while is to provide me with 1532 00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,630 a couple of fresh promos I think that 1533 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:16,000 would deliver to you on the CD in person 1534 00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:18,370 in Sydney wanna film how about that now 1535 00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,200 what segue you're coming to Sydney 1536 00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:22,000 that's very exciting yes Michael 1537 00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:23,470 Marshall is coming to Sydney for the 1538 00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:24,670 Australian skeptics National Convention 1539 00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:26,350 you've been hearing about this 1540 00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:27,940 convention on the skeptics and podcast 1541 00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:30,520 for some time now and if you wondering 1542 00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:33,220 should I go what's the final thing that 1543 00:57:36,810 --> 00:57:35,110 what's the straw the camel's back what's 1544 00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:36,820 the tipping point that'll make me come 1545 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:37,870 to the Australian skeptics National 1546 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:40,210 Convention listening to Michael Marshall 1547 00:57:43,530 --> 00:57:41,530 would surely be that tipping point 1548 00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:43,540 Michael we're looking forward to seeing 1549 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:45,670 you out here in Sydney I know I 1550 00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:48,490 genuinely can't wait I've followed you 1551 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:49,750 know the skeptics order to work the 1552 00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:51,370 Australian skeptics for years and we get 1553 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:53,710 so much so much correspondence from 1554 00:57:59,340 --> 00:57:55,570 Australian listeners to our show as well 1555 00:58:00,360 --> 00:57:59,350 not all of it abusive must be abusive 1556 00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:00,370 that's fine we have a good relationship 1557 00:58:04,740 --> 00:58:03,280 with others generally but yeah I can't 1558 00:58:06,510 --> 00:58:04,750 wait to meet everyone and it's always 1559 00:58:08,310 --> 00:58:06,520 great to catch up with you and rich in 1560 00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:08,320 Iran and all that other kind of team in 1561 00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:10,840 person so yeah I can't I I can't believe 1562 00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:12,790 it really I'm pinching myself that I 1563 00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:14,950 would never imagined that one day 1564 00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,000 skepticism would see me traveling the 1565 00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:21,280 entire breadth of the loan mmm speak to 1566 00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:23,380 people it's surreal but yes so exciting 1567 00:58:26,730 --> 00:58:25,180 I'll have to put you in may nod together 1568 00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:26,740 in a room and see what happens I think 1569 00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:29,470 that'll be pretty decided well Michael 1570 00:58:33,090 --> 00:58:30,880 most certainly outdress me that's for 1571 00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:33,100 sure oh yes well Michael Marshall once 1572 00:58:36,980 --> 00:58:35,950 again thank you for appearing on the 1573 00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:36,990 skeptic zone as you did 1574 00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,119 last week a great pleasure to talk with 1575 00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:41,040 you we will have a great time when you 1576 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:43,740 hit Sydney Town I'll show you the sights 1577 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:45,330 and we'll have some good old-fashioned 1578 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:47,850 skepticism going on but for this week 1579 00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:49,530 Michael Marshall thank you very much 1580 00:59:12,000 --> 00:58:51,900 thank you so much rich and massive 1581 00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:14,440 well one episode that was we're in the 1582 00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:16,700 skeptic nabil here which is like oh look 1583 00:59:19,690 --> 00:59:18,110 all I can say is it's partly 1584 00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:19,700 australian-made and most of the parts 1585 00:59:24,130 --> 00:59:22,160 are still going Richard may know the 1586 00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:24,140 days over and it's jai alai busted in 1587 00:59:28,510 --> 00:59:25,430 the back seat with ilithyia hello 1588 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:28,520 ilithyia know what was most everything 1589 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:31,850 by other day for you Joe um actually I 1590 00:59:39,310 --> 00:59:35,690 joined a witch's circle am in the first 1591 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:39,320 first term workshop and I got 1592 00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:42,650 transported to another plane to the 1593 00:59:48,010 --> 00:59:45,830 spirit world that was interesting i will 1594 00:59:49,450 --> 00:59:48,020 report on that next week okay and letha 1595 00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,460 what you and find most interesting part 1596 00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:51,680 the day well certainly not nothing to 1597 00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:54,230 compete with her which is cycle I listen 1598 00:59:59,740 --> 00:59:57,110 to an EVP section from the ghost hunters 1599 01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,750 down under they had us guess of what we 1600 01:00:04,810 --> 01:00:01,760 thought that little section was what was 1601 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:04,820 it I thought it was it's crispy but I 1602 01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:07,130 don't that was the end of the donut 1603 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:09,950 ghost and Richard you had a big day you 1604 01:00:14,290 --> 01:00:11,810 got up there and said our ghost afraid 1605 01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,300 of skeptics you had the big know up 1606 01:00:19,630 --> 01:00:17,119 behind you there you were certainly the 1607 01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,640 odd man out today i was i gave a talk 1608 01:00:23,140 --> 01:00:21,200 right at the end of the day but which 1609 01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,150 was reasonably well attended i thought 1610 01:00:27,250 --> 01:00:25,520 and i noticed a lot of heads nodding in 1611 01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:27,260 the audience as I spoke so I was pretty 1612 01:00:30,609 --> 01:00:29,750 pleased manor well I look I spoke to a 1613 01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:30,619 lot of people you're going to hear from 1614 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:32,780 in the near future but right now you've 1615 01:00:36,190 --> 01:00:34,010 got to thank people for listening and do 1616 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:36,200 your sign-off thank you for listening to 1617 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:38,810 the skeptics Ernie that's right as we 1618 01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:40,730 drive into sydney from casula where we 1619 01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:41,990 went to the paranormal convention I'd 1620 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:44,480 like to thank Maynard and Joe alabaster 1621 01:00:48,370 --> 01:00:46,010 for coming along being reporters in 1622 01:00:50,770 --> 01:00:48,380 those reports are coming up but for this 1623 01:00:52,330 --> 01:00:50,780 week on the where are we on the m5 1624 01:00:58,580 --> 01:00:52,340 motorway heading into city this is 1625 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:00,990 you've been listening to the skeptic 1626 01:01:09,780 --> 01:01:06,010 zone visit our website at www skeptics